Walt Heyer’s Story
Walt Heyer was a husband, father and corporate executive who underwent gender reassignment surgery at the age of 42, going from “male” to “female.” Eight years later, Walt went back to living as a man again and has been restored to his male gender for 30 years and married for over 20 years. One of the root causes of his gender confusion was childhood trauma. The gender identity specialists he visited during his mid 40’s didn’t even think to explore that avenue when discussing why Walt felt gender confusion. Now Walt has a passion to help others who regret so-called “gender change” and is equally passionate about protecting children from irreversible medical interventions, such as sex change surgery, and the tragic consequences suffered as a result.
Walt Heyer’s Bio:
Walt Heyer is an accomplished author and public speaker. Walt has appeared on CNN, the BBC and Russia’s Channel One, and participated in scores of other radio and TV media events including Laura Ingram, Glenn Beck and Candace Owens. Walt Heyer has spoken at conferences around the world and his story has been featured in countless articles and documentaries.
He’s written over 60 articles for USA Today, The Federalist, Public Discourse and Daily Signal, and authored 7 books, including “Trans Life Survivors”and “Paper Genders.”
He was a panelist and speaker at the 4th Annual Summit for the Survivors of the Sexual Revolution.
Walt’s Recommended Readings & Resources
- www.sexchangeregret.com
- waltheyer.com
- Walt Heyer’s story in brief (youtube/9lpkrPLHHHY)
- Video: I Want My Sex Back (youtube/-pxxBQm114k)
- Books from the sexchangeregret.com bookstore, including
- Articles of Impeachment Against Sex Change Surgery,
- Trans Life Survivors
- Paper Genders – reveals how the idea of changing genders was set in motion by a small group of pedophile activists
- Gender, Lies and Suicide
- Perfected With Love”: https://sexchangeregret.com/bookstore/
- Articles
Transcript: Walt Heyer and Dr. Morse
WALT HEYER (00:00:00):
When you put a boy and address, you’re actually projecting to him that there’s something wrong with him as a boy, that he would be better off as a girl, which is psychological and emotional abuse. Nobody ever transitions, right? Even the word transgender is an incorrect, um, because nobody ever becomes a transgender, there’s still men in dresses. Uh, they just use the word to make it seem like it’s something that happened. The truth is we could end it all if we stopped affirming them.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:00:42):
Hi everyone. I’m Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse, founder, and president of the Ruth Institute. The Ruth Institute is an international interfaith coalition to defend the family and build a civilization of love at the Ruth Institute, we bring you solid scientific information to help you make sense of a world that’s lost its mind, I guess today is Mr. WALT HEYER, who lived as a woman starting in the 1980s eventually came to regret that and came back to living a man’s life. Therefore, he’s one of the first what we would now call disasters. Now, as you’re getting settled into the world of common sense and sound thinking, please hit that subscribe button below and hit the little bell to get notifications of our newest uploads and keep your finger on the share button. You’re going to want to share this material with your friends and families. Welcome to the Dr. Jay show. Welcome back to reality and welcome Walt higher. Well, thanks so much for being with us today.
WALT HEYER (00:01:38):
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much for having me on today.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:01:42):
You know, you were one of the first people to do a transition and then to detransition. Can you tell people just briefly about your story for the people who haven’t heard it before?
WALT HEYER (00:01:52):
Yeah, well, you know, my story actually started in 1944, which was long before they had any terminology. I was cross dressing as a four year old in Los Angeles, California. My grandmother, uh, had, was assisting me. She was a seamstress and she made me a purple chiffon dress and put it on me and told me how cute I was. And that was our little ritual when she was babysitting me. And that was our little secret when, uh, my mom and dad would drop me off. And so what, what we learned, you know, here I am eight years old. So at 76 years of experience and knowledge that, uh, in working in this area, uh, realized that when you put a boy and address, you’re actually projecting to him that there’s something wrong with him as a boy, that he would be better off as a girl, which is psychological and emotional abuse and child abuse. So, um, that’s the critical part of how this gets started and then, uh, to give, uh, impetus to how dangerous it is is that I’m talking about at 76 years later. So it’s not benign. It’s something that people will carry with them for the rest of their life.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:03:09):
Well, because it’s been so long, you have probably seen a lot of changes in the way the trans narrative is told and the, uh, the way society views it. Um, when you were a little boy, that was a big secret, what your grandma was doing. Today, we’ve got parents who are, you know, to my, I looked like Chopin, you know, like a stage mom kind of thing, deliberately dressing their boys in girl’s clothing and parading them, you know, kind of making a, um, totally supporting them. There’s nobody’s secret. It’s not a secret anymore. Um, tell us what changes, what significant changes have you seen and what do you think of them? Better? Worse?
WALT HEYER (00:03:48):
Yeah. Well, the most significant changes came along when, um, Dr. Uh, Stanley Biber and, and you had Harry Benjamin, um, and all these other individuals that began using, um, hormones and surgery to try to effect changing, uh, boys into a girl. And this was all kind of experimental. And, um, we started a long time ago, actually in the early fifties. Um, and so these, these individuals that were interested in, uh, trying to transition, which is really kind of a false word, because nobody ever transitions, even the word transgender is an incorrect, um, because nobody ever becomes a transgender, there’s still men in dresses. Uh, they just use the word to make it seem like it’s something that happened. Um, and so I think the big changes are what what’s happened is they’ve used words that unfortunately people like myself and others, weren’t aware of how, how this was going to grow.
WALT HEYER (00:04:56):
I mean, you know, 15 or 20 years ago, you’d look at this and say, well, it can’t be that many of them, this can’t really have a big impact. I remember telling a pastor in a church about it and, and he says, oh, you know, there’s not really going, gonna, it’s not going to be a big deal. This idea of changing genders. Well, here we are today. This is the biggest deal in our society, right? And, and it’s because I believe that people have become, uh, convinced due to the language. I mean, if we, on this side of the aisle have adopted their language, the people who control the words, transgender transition, gender dysphoria, quite frankly, and all the children that I’ve talked to and met. I haven’t found one with gender dysphoria yet. I haven’t found one person that’s actually transitioned. And I actually haven’t found anybody.
WALT HEYER (00:05:45):
That’s actually a transgender, except by self-identity right there. They’re just men who take on cosmetic surgery. They wear a dress. Now what the term used to be is they were transvestites and, and cross-dressers. That was primarily where we were, uh, many years ago, back in the 50, 60 seventies. These are just cross dressing men, but you know, that’s not, wasn’t real fashionable. So now it’s much more woke to call everything. There is a transgender, when in fact, uh, many of the men who are adult men married with children who come out later, like Jenner did, uh, are individuals who are actually suffering from, and I’m not saying Jenner suffers from this. I’m just saying there there’s a variety of things such as autogynephelia, transvestic fetish disorders, body dysmorphia, obsessive compulsive disorder, all these different things that are comprised in what causes people to want to adopt a, an ID identity in the opposite gender, which quite frankly, no one in the history of mankind has ever changed from one gender to the other. It’s all fake faults nonsense, right?
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:07:01):
So there’s so many places we could go with this number, for sure. We need to talk about what language we should be using. So that’s an important point, but also I think it’s important for people to understand the underlying issues that lead a person to think, gee, it’s, it’s necessary for my mental health that I dress in this manner, and that I’d be addressed by other people in this manner and so on and so forth. Can you T can you speak to that point? What’s going on in people’s minds? What’s the psychology of the man who says he’s a woman. What are some of the possible pathways
WALT HEYER (00:07:35):
There’s no, there, there’s kind of two things had happened here. Number one, what we’re doing, we’re do the affirmation, right? The big word is affirmation. If you’ll notice the terminology they use is affirmation, affirmation. Everything’s gotta be affirmed. There can be no negative side to this. It has to be all affirm, affirm, affirm. The truth is we could end it all. If we stopped affirming them. That’s, you know, the th the reason why they’re doing it is because they become affirm. They can gain power. They, you know, if a child is suffering from not having a lot of friends or they, they just can’t don’t feel like they fit in, they can instantly identify as a transgender. And all of a sudden, they’ve got this tremendous cadre of kids that support them and they can go online. And so it becomes this self-defeating kind of thing. And so, um, that’s kind of, what’s, what’s happened to language is where we’re, we’re having this discussion
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:08:35):
Back when you were going through this and having these experiences and thoughts and so on, uh, nobody was affirming you particularly, you had some other thought process or some other disorder going on T tell people,
WALT HEYER (00:08:48):
Well, grandma affirming for two years being a girl and never affirmed me as a boy. I mean, she always told me how I look. Wow. Never
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:08:57):
Really never.
WALT HEYER (00:08:58):
No, no. So, you know, so she planted this seed, uh, that I was only going to be acceptable and affirmed and was cute and kind, and all that other stuff. If I were dressed up in that purple dress, she made me, so I had this imagery sort of, sort of wedged into me. And this is not uncommon in many of the stories you’ll find out somebody cross dressed and maybe, uh, an older sister will cross dress, her younger brother, mother, grandmother, friend, whatever the cross dressing thing becomes an important part of how this idea gets planted and then the acceptability of it. So, um, I think that’s one of the important things is, uh, that I wanted to talk about is that if, if this was unacceptable, we would not see all the people doing it. It’s just because it’s, it’s accepted the fact of the fact that no one can change genders and that it’s all false and fake doesn’t seem to matter much.
WALT HEYER (00:10:00):
Uh, but, uh, so the psychology behind it actually is what I have found is that many of the children, like I was, was sexually abused because I dressed by an uncle, uh, I would say 50% to maybe more of the children and adults that I work with will report having been sexually molested or sexually abused in some way, maybe they were introduced to pornography or some early sexualization and may be shown pictures of cross dressing people, things like this happened that began to make the individuals think this is normal behavior. And so they adopt this behavior and not realizing that it’s so critical. I think to understand that this behavior is actually very self destructive, you know, because what, what really occurs here is that by taking hormones and cutting off body parts, you’re engaged in self-destructive behavior because you cannot really become the opposite gender. The only thing you can actually accomplish is destroying who you really are, right?
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:11:05):
It’s a, it’s an attack on your own body. Absolutely. It’s it? You know, and, and so I want to go back to the abuse point. Do you work equally with, with men and with women? Well,
WALT HEYER (00:11:15):
No. No. I would say the vast majority of the individuals I work with are men. I have a few women contact me, but I think, uh, it, women don’t contact me because I’m a man, but that’s fine with me.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:11:29):
That’s that’s right. That’s right. You have something specific to say to the men, but I do want to say to the audience that there is now a substantial, um, group, an increase in teenage girls who think they’re boys. And I think that there’s a different psychology at work. Um, it’s actually called rock rapid onset gender dysphoria. And it seems like they, they pick it up online from each other and they talk each other into it, all of that. So it was not a cross dressing issue. It’s a little bit different from what you’re talking about.
WALT HEYER (00:11:57):
Yeah. And I, I’ve worked just real recently with four young girls under the age of 15, uh, and I’ve helped them, uh, desist within, uh, less than two weeks just by having a conversation with their parents. So, uh, you know, the idea of rapid onset is much more what I, I would refer to it as being more of a social contagion. Exactly.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:12:19):
That
WALT HEYER (00:12:20):
They don’t really have a gender dysphoria at all. It’s just, they’re doing it because their friends are doing it because they did it online.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:12:27):
Right, right, right. And that’s consistent with the report from the planned parenthood worker who came out and told Abigail Shire, you know, Hey, here at these planned parenthood clinics, we’re giving these, we’re giving this stuff out like hormones and their teenage girls are coming in. Like they’re going to get their ears pierced. And they have no concept at all of the seriousness of, of, of what they’re engaged in. So that’s all consistent. And you know, this has been, you get consistent pickup
WALT HEYER (00:12:53):
Sure. Here, but what’s what, what I’ve found in working with the young people. Uh, when I work with the parent, cause I don’t work, uh, I don’t speak directly. I have the parent work with the child because they have a much greater influence over them. But what I do is I, I give them a dialogue so that they can begin to having a discussion with them. And one of the questions that I have the parents asked the young girls is why do you want to destroy who you are? And, and that question seems to have a huge impact on them because they don’t look at it from that standpoint. They had been looking at it as, oh, I’m going to do this. But when they realized that they’re destroying who they are by taking these hormones, uh, and, and that’s the second, uh, the second question then is to ask him what makes you think you can change?
WALT HEYER (00:13:44):
Or why did you engage in this? And they all reported finding this online, uh, and they find these groups. So, um, I think the, a better word for it. Um, it it’s just a social contagion and the kids, like you said, have no idea what the consequences are, but once they realize and put in their own in their mind that they’re actually destroying who they are, it becomes a much different situation. I had one young girl actually desist after cutting your hair, wearing men’s underwear, cutting your hair, looking like a boy, actually desisted within an hour of having that discussion.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:14:23):
Wow. Wow. Do you know, at our upcoming summit for survivors of the sexual revolution where you’re going to be speaking, um, we’re also going to have, um, two different attorneys who’ve been involved in this. And one of them is going to be talking about this whole issue of informed consent is informed consent even possible for a minor, you know, to say, I’m going to cut off body parts. Is that even possible? Um, and as you know, that that is happening. Um, and can you, can you speak to that a little bit? What’s what are some of the legal changes that, um, when parents come to you, um, desperate, concerned, you know, uh, worried what are some of the obstacles that those parents are encountering?
WALT HEYER (00:15:06):
Yeah. Every state seems to have a different, um, you know, you take Oregon as an example, um, you know, kids can do anything and they don’t have to tell the parents. So many of the kids are doing this without parents even knowing it. So the parents don’t, they, they come in late, they’re the kid’s already done his, uh, he’s already gotten hormones. In many cases, they’ve, they’ve already began to engage in this behavior. And then they become really irate toward the parents if the parents try to intervene. So, um, obviously that’s one of the more critical things I think in, in terms of consent, uh, we know from, uh, factual information is that the brain doesn’t even finish being totally developed until you’re about 24 years old. So if, if we were to really, uh, have a sway with these young people, we would tell them, don’t do anything until you’re 24 years old, don’t take hormone blockers, don’t do any of this stuff.
WALT HEYER (00:16:00):
But the, the advocates for this actually realized that the brain isn’t fully developed so that they can have tremendous influence over their life at an early age. And what we know is once they get the hormone blockers in their system, they will almost always continue on identifying as transgender. Now, if, if we can prevent them from taking hormone therapy of any kind, and they don’t get involved in all this nonsense with the hormone blockers, we realize that many of them, by the time they reach adults will just stop behaving that way and, and they’ll walk away from it. So, um, the hormones are a real critical part of whether the person’s going to continue in that, uh, uh, parent’s behavior self-destructive behavior, uh, that will cost them. Uh, and, and I must say it first for the people listening is that females who take male hormones, the destruction is so much greater to them in a personal way that, uh, it, it just breaks my heart. When these young people contact me after taking hormones for one or two years and they have regret and they want to detransition, uh, even in the detransition paste there, it’s very difficult to not look like a man.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:17:21):
Yes. And their voice changes evidently that, that never, that never really changes back from the sounds. But yeah. Now, you know, one part of your story that struck me the first time I read it is it, you had an underlying psychological condition that needed some help, and that was, um, shut that aside or, or disregarded, you know, uh, and you went along with the, with the whole gender transition business. Can you talk a little bit about some of the underlying conditions and really, I, you know, I would say the opportunity cost of doing gender stuff is that you don’t look at the other things that maybe require some attention. Tell us, tell people a little bit more about that. Well, yeah,
WALT HEYER (00:18:02):
Well, they, they talked about, uh, a dissociative disorder. Uh, however it doesn’t rise to the level of multiple personalities and that’s one of the co-morbidities to associative bipolar, obsessive compulsive body dysmorphia. There’s a, quite a large number of comorbid disorders. What’s strange about the dissociative disorder is that, uh, and I learned later after this diagnosis was made that it’s a pretty casual term dissociative because the fact of the matter is anybody who identifies as a different person is dissociating from the other person. Right? So if, to be honest about it, anybody who identifies in a different tender is suffering from dissociation, right? So, uh, they, they use that, uh, as a, a way to get me onto Medicare because I was homeless and had no income. And once I got the diagnosis of a dissociative disorder, I was eligible to have income. Um, I was at a point in my life where my income was a little more than $4,000 a year. And I was living in a camper shell on a vacant lot. So they were trying to find a way for me to have, uh, the finances, uh, so that I could survive without being homeless, which I was for a short period of time. So, um, they could apply the idea of dissociative disorder to anyone who identifies as a different gender. They just did that in my case, I see, uh, to help me access, um, some of the government funding.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:19:42):
Do you know, one of the more shocking cases that I read about, I think it might, it might even be 10 years ago. Was this lady from Belgium who mother always wanted a son, her, you know, her, her mother hated her as a girl. And so this woman, I forget her name, Nancy Verlasso, I think, was her name. Um, and she became a transgender, you know, she, she did all the surgery and so on and, uh, and then she hated the way she looked and the headlines read, um, you know, Belgian euthanized after botched sex change surgery. Well, there was nothing botched about the surgery. It just, but it didn’t do what she wanted it to do. But the underlying issue was her mother wanted a boy and you know why somebody didn’t slap this mother or, you know, help this girl understand that she was okay as she was, she didn’t have to go do all that. That’s what troubles me about this. You know? And, and, and I’m, I’m interested to know given what you went through and given what you’re seeing other people go through, have there been any serious improvements in what we would call screening? You know, if a comes in and says, I, I feel like I’m in the wrong body. Is there a set of procedures and questions and techniques where you could say, you know, I get that. You feel that, but no, you’re not really that let’s put you someplace else. Is there a screening process?
WALT HEYER (00:21:02):
Oh, no, that would be co they called that gatekeeping and that’s not allowed. And so that’s the term they use. We don’t want gatekeepers, uh, regardless of the, person’s been sexually abused, whether the person has a serious psychological or emotional disorders, they transitioned somebody. I got a note from a parent, um, who had a 21 year old son who actually was suffering from some pretty severe brain trauma from an accident. The individual had didn’t have good cognitive skills and they transitioned the person. Wow.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:21:36):
Wow.
WALT HEYER (00:21:37):
Wow. So they’ll transition anybody. I mean, um, the idea that they’re going to look into some comorbid disorder, uh, that may be causing them to feel the way they feel that it doesn’t happen. The only time that actually happens is when the person writes me with regret and say, you know what, I’m still suffering. And I work with them and we, we find a way to get them into psychotherapy. And then through psychotherapy realized that there was something else going on. They addressed the comorbid disorder. And then the person said, gee, I never needed to have the surgery. So we’re, you know, this there’s so, um, lacking in willingness to look at people in terms of what is causing you to not like who you are. And that’s such a key question to ask each and every one of these individual, why don’t you like who you are and why do you think becoming someone else will improve your life? Um, and those questions aren’t asked, it’s you, you say, yeah, I feel like a transgender. Then you automatically get hormones. Oftentimes on the very first visit, you can go to gender clinic and just announce it. And they’ll have somebody who’s a social worker is not really trained in identifying secondary comorbid disorders. Just somebody who’s gonna, you know, authorize the hormone therapy, go down the hall and get your hormones, get the video on how to take them and be on your way and come back when your life is ruined.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:23:07):
Right? And, and, and these are the individuals that are going in and out of the planned parenthood clinics. And a lot of our friends who do pro-life sidewalk counseling, who are there to talk to the abortion minded patient, they have started to see the trans minded patient going in and they don’t know what to say to them. So one of the things that we’ll be doing at our, at our summit in a couple of weeks, um, is trying to equip the sidewalk counselors with what they need so that as those kids are walking in there, they, you know, maybe you can keep them from walking in there. Cause once they walk in, what you’re saying is they’re going to get a prescription. Um, almost regardless. I mean, if you show up and you want it, you’re going to get it. And so trying to keep people out of there as important. Well, it’s something that really bothers me. Why, what are these doctors and health professionals and gender specialists or whoever they are, what are they thinking? Why are they so intent on putting more and more people into this so-called transition, pipeline
WALT HEYER (00:24:09):
Money, seriously? That’s it tell
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:24:13):
People about that?
WALT HEYER (00:24:14):
Well, you, you have a lot of people pumping a great deal of money into this. George Soros is just one of them. There are many like Soros Soros puts in a couple of hundred million a year, uh, to help these gender clinics, you know, in, in many parts of Australia and other countries, the government would give, uh, in one clinic in Australia was given $6 million, just go transition people. And so if they stopped transitioning people, then the funding goes away and now it’s become much more of a political tool and a fundraising tool. So if you’re out on the left and pushing transgender stuff, um, like the current administration who planted this person and, uh, health and human services, uh, at only to help prop up, uh, moving the number down so that kids eight years old, 10 years old, can quote, transition and get hormones. It’s not because the person is qualified in the area of helping kids find their comorbidities. No, they’re there strictly to help kids at a younger age, change the laws so that they can transition in early age. It’s, it’s a point. And you know, you talk about abortion. I mean, the idea of, of what they’re doing to kids, uh, transitioning is somewhat of an abortion in itself, right?
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:25:38):
It’s a, it’s a boarding. They, they, the full development of the child. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. But, but, but let’s take a step, a step backward. Why would the government of Australia want to incentivize transitioning? I mean, if you’re a pharmaceutical company, uh, or a medical device company or something like that, okay. I could see you trying to get new customers. Um, but what is George Soros thinking? What is the government of Australia thinking? Well, what do they think?
WALT HEYER (00:26:05):
Well, the more people that are dependent on the government, you take all the people come in and cross the border, take all the numbers of people who identify as transgender. Those are all democratic votes. That’s the voting machine. The more people they can transition, their more votes go into their coffers. The people on the right side are against it. And I mean, there was a BMX bike rider, uh, who’s wants to compete in the Olympics. Uh, who’s uh, a male who identifies a females only because he said, I want to win the Olympics so that I can stand on the podium and burn the American. These are people who hate the country. These aren’t people, they’re not making a contribution to the country getting better. This is all about it’s. I wrote an article about it. It’s about Marxism and Marxism is counter productive to Christianity. It’s counterproductive to the family. One man, one woman developing a family of, of kids, uh, healthy kids. And that’s why they’re doing this in our schools. They’re indoctrinating kids and giving kids all these ideas that they can change their gender. That’s what Marxism is about.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:27:17):
Well, and you know, I’ve talked to, um, my friend, Paul Kanger, who’s been on this program before. Who’s a great expert on Marxism and on the cold war and so on and so forth. He put this idea in my mind. Well that, that every one of the markers of a totalitarian ideology is that it wants to change human nature. The Marxists want to change human nature, the transgender activists, actually all the sexual revolutionaries. They hate human nature. They hate the human body, um, and, and change it, having a plan and agenda that says, you know, we’re going to create heaven on earth. If only you will let us change human nature. You know, that’s very empowering. Uh, if you happen to be in power, you know, not so much if you’re on the receiving end of all that stuff.
WALT HEYER (00:27:59):
Yeah. So that it is a way to destroy the current society, Christian based, you know, uh, faith-based uh, society. And, you know, the pandemic really helped them a great deal by shutting down all the churches. And, and there’s, there’s many things that happened that have really put a strain, uh, on the people of faith, the churches, uh, building their families. And, and, uh, so we’re in a real, real difficult time. But if people don’t become solidly aware of the Marx’s impact on this and what the agenda is, uh, people are gonna really be wake up and not realize what happened to them. And what we have is the democratic socialist group. Um, our Marxist, uh, you know, uh, one of the, the guy from, um, Alabama, no, not Alabama, Georgia who admits he’s a Marxist, I forget his name. African-American guy who got elected to one of the seats. So there there’s many of them coming out and say, yeah, I’m a Marxist. And that’s what we want to do. I’m a communist, I’m a socialist. Uh, these are not compatible with a faith based community and they, they really want to destroy the current society, man, woman, once you, you race what a man and a woman is, uh, then you can begin to erode the very foundation of the church, which is one man, one woman and faith in Jesus Christ.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:29:28):
Well, and also, I mean, Christianity has an account of why male and female is important and significant. You know, that there’s a, there’s a divine design here, um, which the revolutionaries despise, they resent it, you know, and that’s going all the way back to all aspects of the sexual revolution. You know, you can see them at war with the body in some ways, but in including it in the early days, certainly. And to some extent now, you know, it’s not unique to the democratic party, that’s its home, but there are plenty of Republicans who are on board with it in various ways, as you know yeah. And the whole corporate America, uh, going woke, uh, I didn’t expect to see that, but now, now that it’s in place, it kind of makes sense. You know, they’re all part of a power seeking power grabbing machine.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:30:15):
Um, and so the guys with a lot of money and the guys with a lot of political power and the guys with the entertainment focus, you know, and the ability to manipulate people’s minds, you know, those guys are all kind of working together, you know, and, and we’re in their cross, we’re in their way, you know? Um, so, you know, at one point I think we really need to touch on to help our viewers, um, is the question of language. Well, what terms should we be using? What terms should we be correcting every time it comes out of somebody’s mouth? You know what, you know what I mean? W w where do we, how do we kind of get a grip on this so that we’re not being manipulated with the language,
WALT HEYER (00:30:54):
Right. Um, instead of saying, they are a transgender, they identify as transgender when they’re really cross dressers. I think, you know, in my view, there is no transgender. So why, why do we buy into the fact and elevate them to a status of actually, because it suggests that they became something right. Uh, so, uh, identifying as a transgender is different than saying they are a transgender.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:31:24):
So that word, so that word transgender should never be used as a standalone. That should never be, it never should be a standalone. It should be, have some descriptors around it or a self-identified transgender, or, you know, you know, praise I sometimes started using is a man who says, he’s a woman. Yeah. Amanda says a man who says, there’s a woman, but we don’t know why he’s saying that. But a man who says you want to give us some other, give us some other examples. What other things should we stop saying?
WALT HEYER (00:31:53):
Yeah. You know, the transition, they, people transition. Nobody transitioned people. Uh, you know, in that, in that area, people took hormones, they had surgery. Uh, these are people who engaged in hormones and surgery. I don’t use the word, you know, and I found myself, I had to go back and look at the things that I was saying for many years, and I’ve had to catch myself because one of the things is that you use the language to try to get people to understand what you’re talking about, but then you, you forget what you’re doing is actually selling what the left is, is promoting. And I realized I can’t do that anymore. Right. Exactly. So, uh, you know, we can all find creative ways of, of not using the language. I prefer to just say, well, they’re a, or they’re a man who dresses up like a woman. Um, you can come up with all these things in, in the idea of pronouns. Um, you know, isn’t it interesting. I had told one of my friends when I was living as Laura, Hey, now you gotta use the right pronouns. And he said, I think the pronoun for you is wacko.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:32:58):
And so that’s, I got, now, let me guess, was that a man or a woman?
WALT HEYER (00:33:01):
It was a man, but I actually loved it because, you know, here I am talking about it years later, because he’s probably the only one that said the right thing, because doing that was pretty wacko. So, um, and I think, you know, it’s, it’s okay. In fact not okay. We must, we must, it’s essential for us to stop using their language. We have to be much more thought provoking. And you know, one of the things they say, they don’t want you to upset anybody heck with upset in any, they upset me every day. Exactly why in the world, should I be worried about upsetting them? I mean, they’re absolutely blowing my mind every day with this insanity. And so, um, I think we have a larger group of people and if the people begin to fight back, uh, and I think we can squirt some of this stuff because they keep gaining ground.
WALT HEYER (00:33:54):
They keep Greene gaining prestige. And, um, and I think you pointed out something earlier where, you know, people now, you know, like to go to the coffee shop instead of parking their convertible at the front of the coffee shop and say how cool it is. They get in there and talk about their transgender kid. I got a transgender kid and you don’t, I’m more woke than you are. I’m more brilliant than you are because I have a transgender kid. No, you’re much more wacko than the rest of it. So if you got a transgender kid, you’re talking about the person who’s struggling, who’s a young child needs to have someone discussing with them. Why are they behaving this way? Because we know no one is born transgender. We know they don’t have transgender brains. We know that this is a childhood developmental disorder. That that is a seed is planted. And we use this as though they actually exist. These are kids that are suffering because someone has told them that they’re going to be better off, or they’re going to be smarter, or they’re going to be out of step with society. If they don’t take on a different identity, which is totally insane.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:35:02):
And not only that it’s mean to the child, I mean our mutual friend, Erin brewer, I find her story to be extremely compelling because she had a very specific reason in her six year old mind, why she didn’t want to be a little girl anymore. You know, she was molested. And her brother who was with her was not molested. And so in her brilliant six year old brain, she decided I will become a boy that will keep me safe. Well, you know, it would have been better if somebody could have talked to her. And she was lucky that somebody did talk her through at least some of it so that she could be comfortable as a girl and not seeking this alternative identity. You know, another term that we got to stop using drives me crazy. We have got, we cannot ever say that this is a medical treatment. This is not a medical treatment. These are, you can say procedures. You can say drugs that you can say that you can say something, um, more aggressive. If you feel like it’s like a situation where it’s being more aggressive, you know, these mutilating procedures are being done to accommodate the fantasy. You know that this is not, this is not healthcare. This is not promoting bodily integrity.
WALT HEYER (00:36:11):
It’s self destructive behaviors. What they’re doing is helping the child self-destruct. This would be like, in my view, like when they do euthanasia, you know, you’re somebody says they want to do something. So you help them ruin their life. That’s all they’re really doing because the long-term consequences are horrific. And nobody seems to look at this from a 15 and 20 year period down the road. In fact, one doctor in Washington said that, you know, we really won’t know the outcome of the damage or success if there is any to be had for probably another 20 years. And when we have the numbers of these kids that we’re killing with hormones and telling them they changed genders, I think it’s just going to be disastrous. And there’s going to be a lot of young people sitting in front of a screen like I am today saying, wow, that was really horrible. I don’t know why I ever did that. People convinced me. I showed my parents said it was okay. Teachers said it was okay. I could go to planned parenthood. This is all. And it very best is total insanity and reckless and very destructive to the human being.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:37:18):
It’s reckless experimentation on humans, on human subjects. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so, so what do you say to the parents now? You said a lot of times parents come to you with these situations. Um, do you tell us, and just kind of walk us through what you would say to the typical parent, because hopefully there’ll be people watching this who will have this in their life and maybe they can, you know, glean something helpful just from hearing you talk about it. Now, what kind of, what w what, w how does that conversation typically go? You and the parents? Right.
WALT HEYER (00:37:57):
Well, typically it starts with an email, and then I began asking questions. If, if the mother is contacting me, I, I want to know, uh, is the father involved in the child’s life? Uh, are you just the only one that’s trying to help the child to find out if there’s actually, um, an equal, uh, equally between mom and dad and wanting to help the child, or if one of the parents is like all in, uh, and pushing the transition. So then, you know, you have a much different problem, right? Um, and so, uh, that’s kind of the first phase who in the household parents, uh, are surrounding the kid, uh, are helping or trying, trying to help the kid avoid this idea of taking hormones and changing genders and who is trying to promote it. That’s number one. So then if I find that in, within the household, that everybody really wants the child to not go through this, uh, destructive procedure, then you begin to ask those questions.
WALT HEYER (00:39:00):
Like, why do you want to destroy who you are? Where did you get this information? Uh, do you surround yourself with friends who are acting out in this way? Um, and you know, is this a social contagion, you know, was the child sexually abused, many times you find out that, uh, that that child had some incident of abuse that happened to them. And so these, it begins this process of discovery. And, and when you realize that the child is either involved in a social contagion, that can be one of the issues in that that makes it a little bit easier for the parent to sit down and say, well, you know, this, you weren’t born a girl. You’re a lovely girl. You’re a wonderful girl. Why do you want to destroy who you are? And you begin to have this conversation. And in one of the four girls recently, I worked with the mom didn’t know it.
WALT HEYER (00:39:51):
And the girl told mom, well, dad’s a bad dad. And mom found out that dad had been abusing her well. And so it’s a discovery sometimes that that takes place. And, uh, so I think, uh, critical things are that everyone’s on the same page. Uh, parents oftentimes, uh, I’ve had, uh, several cases where there’s a divorce. The mom says, yeah, this is good. Uh, to Tran, you know, to give the kid hormones and, and dad saying not. And so they’re locked up in a struggle, uh, of custody, which has becomes really, really ugly, very ugly,
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:40:32):
But some of the most horrible cases I ever, ever heard of are, are exactly that. And it’s not always the gender, uh, arrangements that you just mentioned. I know of a case where the woman is, the woman is appalled and it’s the divorced father. Who’s right. You know, it can go either direction. It can go either direction.
WALT HEYER (00:40:49):
Absolutely. So there’s a point at which I work with them to discover, you know, is there a possibility that we can work through this, or is there going to be a stalemate within the house where the parents are arguing and, and, and that argument between the parents becomes, uh, much more, uh, evident that the child’s going to actually identify as a different person because of the conflict. Right? So, so, you know, parents need to be on the same page that conflict actually will push the child into identifying as a different gender. So conflict is really, really, um, strong motivator for kids not wanting to be who they are, because they oftentimes feel like, well, I’m, I’m responsible for parents fighting. And so I don’t want to be that person. So we have to really discover why don’t they like who they are? Is this a critical point? And why do you want to destroy yourself by doing this? And do you understand the long-term consequences? So, um, yeah. And so that’s part of the critical discussion you have.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:41:53):
And, but let’s go back to this conflict between the parents issue, because I want to, I want to say for the record that the Ruth Institute has a lot of material on divorce and on the harmful consequences of divorce to children. Um, and, and to prolong the conflict. I mean, I’m not, I, I’m not saying that, I’m sure you wouldn’t say that the parent who wants, who does not want their child to do any of these medical procedures that that parent should, um, uh, should cave in for the sake of peace in the household. We’re not saying that we’re not saying that, but what we, what we want everybody to understand is that the love between mother and father is the foundation for the child’s development. And whether transgenderism is an issue, wait, what should I say? Whether gender, whether gender confusion is an issue in the household, or whether a new boyfriend or a new girlfriend for one of the parents is the issue in the household. Doesn’t matter what the issue is that when the love between the mother and father is disruptive, that is, that is a traumatic event for every child. I don’t care what anybody says that is trauma for the child and disruptive to the child, and, you know, a crisis that, that itself needs to be addressed. That I don’t care. I will say again, for the record, I don’t care how often divorce takes place. I will never accept it as normal and is acceptable, never,
WALT HEYER (00:43:19):
You know, and I think it causes this distress about who the child thinks they are. And so I call it self distress. It’s, it’s distressing to be who I am because of what’s going on in my house. And, and I don’t want to be who I am, because those are my parents they’re arguing. And absolutely nobody should be caving in the, you know, one of the things when I was in Hong Kong and I met with a psychiatric doctor and a psychologist, and the three of us were teaching at university of Hong Kong about this thing. And one of the, the psychiatric doctor in the psychologist actually, it’s the first time I’ve heard that say they will not engage in helping a young child in a family without mom and dad being in the room with the child at the time we’re doing the, the, the process of diagnosing and treating, because oftentimes that whole thing is a family issue. It’s not just a child issue. So, and they talked about the tremendous success they have by including mom, dad, and the child. And if there’s a sibling in included in that to see what the whole family dynamic is because you need to treat the entire family and not just the individuals distress about who they are,
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:44:31):
You know, that is a profound point, actually, because again, that carries over, beyond this issue of confusion over gender identity. It’s the fact is that inner society because of the interests of the power grabbers, right? Um, separating children from parents has become an important tactic throughout the sexual revolution. You know, it’s the sexual revolutionaries who want the children to be able to get them, um, contraceptives without their parents knowing getting an abortion without their parents knowing, you know, and they’ll say, well, the child is in danger of being abused by a parent. If the parent knows that they’re going to have an abortion or that they’re pregnant, blah, blah, blah, that’s their excuse separating the child from the parent around a life altering event, that’s really the goal, you know, and that facilitates all of these other issues. So I just want people to have this in your mind that this, it looks like transgenderism came out of nowhere and it’s moved so fast. In fact, is it’s had a very long on-ramp, there’ve been a number of things that have facilitated the idea that this is okay, and that, and that this is the way to deal with it is just get the kid there by himself and, and protect the child from those, um, uh, terrible non affirming parents, you know?
WALT HEYER (00:45:47):
Yeah. Alfred Kinsey kind of introduced this to Harry Benjamin and Harry Benjamin and Alfred Kinsey and Dr. Money, all kinds of, uh,
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:45:58):
Dr. John money, Dr. John money. I don’t think we’ve mentioned his name yet mentioned Toby
WALT HEYER (00:46:03):
Well, Dr. John money, um, and Harry Benjamin, uh, we’re collaborating, uh, in the madness of giving hormones to kids. Uh, money started a clinic gender clinic at John Hopkins university, uh, against all of the people at the university saying we shouldn’t be doing this. Um, but as a psychologist, he was promoting the idea and people were saying, geez, I hope this, uh, madness actually proves to work out well. We know that Paul McHugh studied this a few years after it got started. And he said, it’s, you know, the people who had these problems had the problems after they had surgery, it did not help them one bit. And that’s what we’re seeing today. And so, um, Paul McHugh was correct. And interesting enough, there was a Dr. Charles Hill Elon Feld at Harry Benjamin’s own clinic in New York, who was a homosexual endocrinologist who worked at the clinic for Benjamin.
WALT HEYER (00:47:04):
And he worked with over 500 transgender men who identified as transgender men, uh, who took hormones. And he said after six years, he said, I’m leaving the practice. So giving hormones to these individuals, because I see too much unhappiness and too many of their lives end in suicide because the issues of identifying as a transgender are much deeper than just hormones and surgery can reach. And I want to be able to help these individuals find what the comorbid disorders really are and help them avoid going through the hormones and surgery. That was the homosexual activist bailed on the thing. And he was eviscerated by the LGBT at the time.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:47:47):
Right, right. That’s right. So I didn’t mean to interrupt you. You had another thought going, but I thought we should stop and tell people who John money was in case you don’t know, but you were going someplace else. You had another one
WALT HEYER (00:47:58):
Get across John honey. Yeah. Kenzie Benjamin and money, all pedophile activists. Um, I, in my book, paper genders, I go into a great deal of depth. And, and, um, you know, he, he was, um, in my view, a very sick individual who lied in his own research studies. It came out many years after he did these procedures that, uh, he had, uh, misrepresented the results of the surgeries in his studies. He lied, he just flat out, lied about the success,
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:48:33):
And this is money you’re talking money, John
WALT HEYER (00:48:35):
Money, money lied. Uh, and, uh, you know, he did the, the twins, um, and forgot their hand, um, Reimer,
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:48:46):
Brett and Brenda, the little boy was called Brenda. And then he changed back to bill, I think. Right,
WALT HEYER (00:48:51):
Right. And both of them ended up dying one from an overdose and one from suicide. So I think we can look at what money was doing. And we can see the early stages of this, the results are death. And, and we’re seeing that today. I mean, Sweden came out and said that you’re eight, 19 times more likely to die by suicide after undergoing reassignment surgery than you are, if you don’t do it. So, uh, you know, it’s pretty horrific when you have all this data for 50 years and people are out there celebrating it and promoting trans, these people identify as transgender as though there’s something good about it when it’s so self-destructive, and people are only identify as a transgender until they wake up and get their sanity back and realize that they really can’t become somebody else.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:49:45):
Can you give us a sense of, of how many D transitioners there are? And by the way, is it okay to call people D transitioners what do you, what do you think is the right? Let, let, let’s stop here a minute. What’s the right term? What should we call people? Like will like you, what do you like to be called? I mean, let’s call you a man, but a man who, what,
WALT HEYER (00:50:06):
Yeah. Well, when you have surgery to reverse what they proceeded to do to change you, quote, you know, which didn’t accomplish anything, um, you know, you can, you can use whatever term you want, a surgical detransition surgical reversal. Uh, whatever term is actually fine. I think what what’s important to understand is that the people regretted it. That’s why my website sex change, regret, uh, attracts so many people is because so many people regret it. The number of people, you know, is, is huge. Um, you know, I’ve got over 9,000 emails in my inbox at sex change regret, uh, have over the last 12 years collected those. Now they’re not all people who regret, but a large portion of them are. Uh, so, uh, and then we’ve had a, there’s a gal in the UK who was a regret or started a website. She said she has thousands.
WALT HEYER (00:51:01):
There’s a Reddit, a guy that I know personally who started a site on Reddit. He says he has thousands of regrets and people, uh, many of, uh, many of the regrets don’t detransition or revert back. Um, but so I, I don’t think we have any measure of how many they are. And I think it’s important right here to point out that when the left says, you know, only 1% regret or very small, I mean, we always get that number. Don’t we, we hear them say, oh, there’s almost nobody regrets it. Well, the way they count regret or detransition is somebody who has redone the procedure. In other words, had a phalloplasty, uh, done to restore their male genitalia. And the fact of the matter is 99% of the people who have, uh, their genitals rearranged males will not have a phalloplasty because it does not work. It doesn’t function. It’s actually very dangerous to do. And, uh, I know somebody, uh, personally, I’ve met them who had so many different procedures on that phalloplasty to try to make it work to the point that, um, well, he ended up having a total, uh, of 167 surgeries.
WALT HEYER (00:52:23):
And some of them were the initial change to be, to look like a female. And then many of them were to try to restore, and it just destroyed his body, but they’ll keep doing surgeries. Um, and as long as you pay them, okay,
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:52:40):
You can find somebody, you can find somebody to do pretty much anything
WALT HEYER (00:52:44):
You want to go to Mexico, you can go wherever you want to go, and you can get surgery. You, you, you can effectively destroy your life any way you want, if you have the means to do so.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:52:55):
Wow. Wow. And you know, here’s another place where what’s going on in this area of gender deliberately caused gender confusion. Maybe we could call it that, okay. As socially and deliberately caused gender confusion in this whole area, um, the people who have been harmed or socially invisible, you know, so, and they whole area of abortion, the abortion pro abortion advocates will tell you, women, women never regret their abortions, nothing bad ever happens. Oh. And if they, if they’re upset about their worship, they were mentally ill in the first place. They were already depressed. You know, that’s what it is. You know, it’s just kind of dismissing of anybody who’s been harmed. And honestly, well, that’s why we created the whole concept of the survivors of the sexual revolution and why we have a summit every year to talk about the survivors of the sector, because they never get a platform.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:53:46):
You know, there are millions of these people out there and you never hear from him, you know, and nobody’s going to show up from CNN to cover our little event. Um, but the fact is we’re giving a platform to at least some people who have been harmed by some aspect of the sexual religion and every year, it’s a little bit different group of people. So we’re accumulating some videos and some information from across the board, you know? Um, so you can go to the Ruth Institute, YouTube channel, and you can hear what these people have to say, you know, and this year will be, you’ll be hearing from family members of people who have gone through this type of, of, of gender confusion. Last couple of years ago, we heard from people who’ve been through divorce that they didn’t want, or that they were harmed by in some way, you know, just to, just to build some kind of truthful record that the sexual revolution has not been all roses all the time for everyone.
WALT HEYER (00:54:40):
Wow. No, that’s right. And that’s why I wrote the book trans life survivors that has 35 stories of people who went through this and regretted it.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:54:48):
Yeah. That’s a great book. That’s a great book. That’s a very important book. Tran trans life survivors. You know what I like that phrase, that’s what we should shoot. Is that what we should call people trans lives, trans life survivors probably over, or, or I dislike the term ex gay also, that’s another term that’s floating around. That’s not very, you know, that isn’t quite right. Gay, gay life survivors. Could we call them gay?
WALT HEYER (00:55:13):
Well, I’m glad you brought that up because I want to say that 90% of the people that contact me, um, men, uh, are not gay, is that so yeah, there are very, very few people who identify as transgender actually gay they’re heterosexual men who are suffering from auto GYN, Ophelia transvestic fetish disorders, um, or, or misdiagnosed as, um, being, uh, needing surgery, uh, when they don’t, because they were sexually abused. So over actually it’s a little over 90% of the men who identify as trainer never been gay. I was never gay. I don’t never had same sex attraction to men that I worked with didn’t suffer. Same sex attraction. Uh, the only time they will tell you they had same sex attraction as quote, when they transitioned to a female, they were still attracted to females.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:56:08):
Yeah. Yeah.
WALT HEYER (00:56:09):
So, um, you know, there are heterosexual men who cross dressed and many of them, uh, had sexual arousal disorders. Uh, they had some other issue going on with them, but homosexuality was the issue. That’s really
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:56:24):
Interesting. Tell people what you’ve used this term a couple of times autogynephilia to define that for people because not everybody knows what that is.
WALT HEYER (00:56:32):
Yeah. Uh, there’s, there’s two big disorders that fit in under this umbrella. Autogynephilia and transvestic fetish disorder autogynephilia is when a man puts on a dress, gets on the makeup, looks in the mirror. And what he sees in the mirror is the object of his sexual affection. And that gives him sexual arousal.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:56:53):
So he’s aroused by seeing himself as a woman, we asked why it’s auto gun Ophelia. Yep. So what’s your kind of, is it a kind of narcissism to be looking at yourself?
WALT HEYER (00:57:04):
It’s a sexual yeah. That, but it’s a sexual fetish. It’s considered a sexual fetish. And then the sexual fetish disorder is one where they’re sexually aroused by a piece of clothing, shoes, underwear, whatever. We’ve seen stories about men collecting underwear. That’s a sexual fetish disorder and they may put them on. They may just collect them. They may, you know, so there’s all these different fetishes that are not actually transgenderism. That’s why the term doesn’t fit. And so when, when I realized that a night over 90% of the men that contact me were never homosexual, never had a tendency to homosexual, never had same sex attraction. I fit into that category of people. Hear me talk about it. Those are the ones that contact me. What we do have is that the drag Queens are 100% homosexual.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:57:56):
Now, how does that work? Well,
WALT HEYER (00:57:58):
You you’ve heard drag queen hour. Those are all homosexual men.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:58:04):
Okay. And what’s their thing what’s going on with them? That they’re just there in the way.
WALT HEYER (00:58:08):
Well, they actually are predators. They’re sexual predators. They’re homosexual. Many of them like the storybook hour to the young children, because those are their target. And so they, they like an, and they like to work at, with the idea in their head that they can have sex with young people. That’s what Harry Benjamin John money and all these others started this thing. They always felt that it was appropriate for adult men to have sex with young boys. Those are the homosexual, uh, drag queen people. Um, many of them will fit into that category. There’s there is a group of drag Queens who are just female impersonators, uh, and not necessarily predators, but it’s very hard to realize how many of these individuals are going into libraries is storybook hour. These are, you know, some of them were arrested. We know about those stories. So they’re very different than your typical quote trans person who identifies as transgender, who was married, had children, uh, or grew up identifying as transgender.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(00:59:18):
This is another big problem. This is a big problem. Uh, and that is that the word transgender is being used to cover all these different people. Absolutely. And so, and so the, the good are sneaking in with the bad or strike, sorry, you, you put up the, the image of a, of a boy. Who’s confused about who he is and we want to affirm him and help him and make him feel better. But hiding behind him are some seriously bad actors and we’re using the same word to describe all of them, you know, who does that help? It can only help the bad guys. Right. Right.
WALT HEYER (00:59:54):
And that’s why, when I work with men who a wife will contact me and say, geez, I’ve been married for 20 years. We have four children. My husband now is transitioning to a female. And I always ask, I said, well, does he get sexually aroused when he puts on women’s clothing? And so she goes, yeah, yeah, he does. And I said, well, why don’t you ask him to look up out of GYN, Ophelia and see if it fits a hundred percent of the time they write back and say, yeah, that’s me.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(01:00:20):
Okay. And so then what, what did, what do you w where does that wife go from there?
WALT HEYER (01:00:25):
Well, it, depending on what the husband wants to do, does he want to get into therapy to try to deal with the issue? Or is he still caught up in it? So addicted to it? It could, because it becomes a sexual addiction at some point that he may feel leaving the family and continuing this behavior is more sexually fun for him than staying in the marriage. So it just kind of depends on what that person wants to.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(01:00:50):
And, you know, when you, when we look at how sexualized the whole culture has become, um, I think we have a lot of sex addiction among people who are happily married or seemingly happily, happily married, because you’ve got your little fantasy of how you, of how you do it, and you do it together. And maybe you can make it work inside the marriage. And maybe you can’t, you know, maybe it takes on a life of its own. And, um, it gets out of hand. But the fact is, I think it’s worth saying to everyone that the society is so riddled with toxic sexuality, if we could use that phrase that, you know, here’s this poor woman with children and a husband, who’s, you know, who what’s going to happen to those kids. I don’t have a dad anymore. I have a w we’re actually going to hear from somebody who had that happened to him also at our summit. Yeah. Denise Shick, whom I’m sure, you know, um, or her or her dad decided that he was a woman and he confided in her when she was a little girl, which is wildly inappropriate. I mean, wildly inappropriate, no matter what the issue is to use a 10 year old as your confidant. Right.
WALT HEYER (01:01:55):
Um,
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(01:01:56):
Yeah. But, but I think, um, we should probably end, this has been so interesting. Um, but we’re, we’re running out of time. Walter, are there any last words that you would like to, um, to offer to our viewers about these issues?
WALT HEYER (01:02:11):
Yeah. I mean, people can go to your website. They go to my website, sex change regret, that’s got it’s chock full of information and good about this whole subject. And, uh, certainly if they can get a book like Translife survivors, paper, genders, um, those are good books. Uh, those are being published, um, in other parts of the world as well. So, um, those are good information books for people to dig into.
DR. JENNIFER ROBACK MORSE(01:02:39):
Well, well, I want to thank you so much for being my guest and what I want to say to all of our viewers. Number one is watch your language, watch your language. That’s I think that’s a very important point. We’ve got here. And also, I want to say to all of our viewers, you are welcomed to come to lake Charles, July 16th and 17th, to be part of our summit for survivors of the sexual revolution. And if you’re watching this a year from now, those videos will be available to you and you can go and see what, what all we talked about because these issues are not going to go away. And the material that Walt highers presented us today, along with the material will be presented by many other people is going to be uniquely valuable for a long period of time. So do share this video with your friends, hit that like button hit that subscribe button, and I’ll see you next time.
WALT HEYER (01:03:27):
Thank you.
